Sunday, 5 February 2017

Yahweh could not preserve or protect his words/scriptures



Nowhere in the entire bible do we find God saying he is the author of the bible nor do we find God saying he will protect and preserve the bible. Now Christians often respond by quoting a certain verse from the bible, thinking this would support their bible from getting dismissed as unauthentic :


Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. (Deuteronomy 4:2)

Thes also a similar statement found in the book of revelations slightly altered, Here's the problem with this verse notice how the author let's use the name Yahweh for now, is commanding "Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it". This is telling us that Yahweh is not saying he will Protect or Guard the Scriptures rather he's commanding the Jews not to change the the text??

There is no absolute guarantee that this commandment can be truly fulfilled knowing this task has been given to mortals who are bound to make mistakes and turn their ways. Satan can easily corrupt man and  changes have been made to the text and as we will see. Either Yahweh did not want his Scriptures to be preserved or he  simply was not able to just like he couldn't stop iron chariots!

If Yahweh thought mortals can preserve his words and scriptures then how does one explain Moses addressing his people telling them they will turn to corruption!.


For I know your rebellion and your stubbornness; behold, while I am still alive with you today, you have been rebellious against the LORD; how much more, then, after my death? Assemble before me all the elders of your tribes and all your officials, so that I can speak these words in their hearing and call the heavens and the earth to testify against them For I know that after my death you are sure to become utterly corrupt and to turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to come, disaster will fall on you because you will do evil in the sight of the LORD and arouse his anger by what your hands have made (Deuteronomy 31:27-29)

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Notice how Moses knew the attitudes of there rebellious people and predicted they will turn to corruption so he asked the leaders to place the Torah in the ark of Covenent for it will always be safe there, but even that has been gone the ark of the covenant it missing which means the original Torah is no longer with us.. So how does one verify what the Torah said during the time of Moses? The Jews are not trust worthy according to Moses,  even Yahweh  confess the Torah has been changed :

How can you say we are wise and have the Torah with us when the pen of the false scribes have changed it! (Jeremiah 8:8)

(A sample to this can be traced through different versions of Torah e.g )

And Nahor lived nine and seventy years, and begat Terah:
(Genesis 11:24 Samaritan Torah)


And Nahor lived nine and twenty years, and begat Terah:
(Genesis 11:24 Masoretic Torah)


And Nachor lived a hundred and seventy-nine years, and begot Tharrha. 
(Genesis 11:24 Septuagint Torah)

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And when you have crossed the Jordan, set up these stones on Mount Ebal, as I command you today, and coat them with plaster.
(Deuteronomy 27:4 Masoretic text)


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And when you have crossed the Jordan, set up these stones on MOUNT GERIZIM, as I command you today, and coat them with plaster.
(Deuteronomy 27:4 Samaritan text)


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He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers."
(Genesis 16:12 Masoretic text)


                                    Compare to


He will be a FRUITFUL MAN; his hand will be with everyone and everyone's hand will be with him, and he will live among all his brothers."
(Genesis 16:12 Samaritan text) 


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But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her son's foreskin and touched Moses' feet with it. "Surely you are a bridegroom of blood to me," she said.
(Exodus 4:25 Masoretic Torah )


                                           Compare to


But seeboorah took a flint, and she CIRCUMCISED HER BLOCKED HEART and she brought herself to his feet and she said you are a bridegroom of blood to me,"
(Exodus 4:25 Samaritan Torah )


Below  we see Direct commandments have been added and subtracted 

"You shall not covet your neighbor's house. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor."( Exodus 20:17 Masoretic Torah)







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Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, and not thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his field, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that [is] thy neighbour's. And when it so happens that LORD God brings you to the land of Caanan, which you are coming to posses, you shall set-up there for you great stones and plaster them with plaster and you write on the stones all words of this law. And it becomes for you that across the Jordan you shall raise these stones, which I command you today, in mountain Grizim. And you build there the altar to the LORD God of you. Altar of stones. Not you shall wave on them iron. With whole stones you shall build the altar to LORD God of you. And you bring on it ascend offerings to LORD God of you, and you sacrifice peace offerings, and you eat there and you rejoice before the face of the LORD God of you. The mountain this is across the Jordan behind the way of the rising of the sun, in the land of Caanan who is dwelling in the desert before the Galgal, beside Alvin-Mara, before Sechem (Exodus 20:17 Samaritan Torah)




We can see from all those above versions that Yahweh could not preserve his words or scriptures and thought mortal mens can do a good job? Now if Christians believe all scriptures are God breathed and inspired then was Moses speaking the truth about Jews turning to Corruption! How about the Torah being distorted by false scribes.. I'll leave that to you 

forged books can't save you!

A while back I challenged Christians on the authenticity of their bible specially the gospels. The question that i asked them was :

How can you prove that the gospels you preach is 100% Authentic and Word of God? What Evidence do you have that the gospels are genuinely True and Jesus actually spoke all those words? 

In short I need you guys to prove and convince me the gospels are 100% word of God true to the very Text and that they are Truly Inspired !! I know Paul said all scriptures are Inspired but when Paul allegedly said that the gospels weren't written? He was referring to the Old Testament so don't try pulling that stunt...

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Now this question was so heavy on Christians as their entire salvation is based on the teaching of Jesus as found in the gospels . Many decided to keep quiet and let the question go by as if they didn't see it, and others true do to insults.  But their were a few who tied to answer this by quoting 2 Timothy 3:16 which I made mention of during my question. Anyway since they've only got this one verse which they can use as their defence to prove the authenticity of the gospels.. Let's find out what really lies behind 2 Timothy 3:16.

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, (2 Timothy 3:16)



Dr Erhman wrote on one of his blog and I quote :
"there letters that falsely claim to be written by Paul that are also *in* the New Testament?   Critical scholars (as opposed to fundamentalists and very conservative evangelical Christians) agree that there are.   Scholars normally place the thirteen Pauline letters of the New Testament into three categories:  The Pastoral Epistles of 1 and 2 Timothy and Titus, which are very widely recognized as having been written by someone other than Paul;"

Dr Ehrman also wrote, 
"But one point sometimes raised is that there is so much personal information in 2 Timothy, it is hard to see how it could be forged.  Why, for example, would a forger tell his alleged reader (who was not actually his reader!) to be sure to bring his cloak to him when he comes and also the books he left behind? 
"This objection has been convincingly answered by one of the great scholars of ancient forgery, Norbert Brox, who gives compelling evidence that this kind of "verisimilitude" (as I called it in Chapter 1) is typical for forgeries.  Making the letter sound "homey" removes the suspicion that it's forged.  The personal notices in 2 Timothy....serve, then, to convince readers that this really is written by Paul, even though it is not."
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Critical scholars are not in complete agreement over which books Paul actually wrote, but the “Pastoral Epistles” (1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, and Titus) are often rejected as authentically Pauline. In fact, these were some of the first books attacked by the critics. In 1807, Friedrich Schleiermacher, known as the father of modern liberalism,10 wrote a letter in which he claimed 1 Timothy must have been penned in the second century AD, because some of the language seemed to be an effort to refute Gnosticism, a heresy that flourished in the second century. Other scholars expanded on this idea and rejected the other Pastorals for the following reasons: the vocabulary used in these books is quite distinct from his other letters, the books do not contain Paul’s typical theological themes, they don’t seem to fit the chronology of Paul’s activities in Acts, and the view of church governance is too advanced for the first century.


The first known attempt to canonize certain writings as authoritative scripture was undertaken by Marcion circa 140 A.D. His canon contained 10 Pauline epistles. He included all of the putative Pauline epistles in our canon (plus a couple extra). Notably absent, however, are 1 & 2 Timothy and Titus.
Similarly, Papyrus 46, a codex of Pauline epistles from about 200 A.D., although damaged, appears to have contained all of the letters traditionally attributed to Paul, except for the Pastorals
Tatian in the mid-second century accepted Titus, but rejected 1 & 2 Timothy.


So the only verse which Christians use to support the authenticity of the gospels is FORGED !! Which means there is no other way to prove the authenticity of the gospels, thus it cannot be taken as the inspired word of God.

How can you say we are wise when the Torah of the Lord has been corrupted by the scribes (Jeremiah 8:8)

Next time Christians please save yourself from the embarrassment of quoting 2 Timothy 3:16 as your evidence!


Reference 
https://ehrmanblog.org/pauline-forgeries-2-thessalonians-as-a-test-case/

  1. 10 Ehrman praised Schleiermacher as “one of the most important Christian theologians of the nineteenth century [who] was famous for defending the Christian faith against its ‘cultured despisers’ and for developing distinct theological views that influenced theologians well into the twentieth century.” Ehrman, Forged, p. 95. From a conservative or evangelical viewpoint, Schleiermacher was definitely an important or influential theologian, but not for the right reasons. For example, he had “some serious problems: his experimental form of pantheism; his acceptance of Kantian epistemology; his disjunction of experience and doctrine; his contention that truth does not apply to religion; his reduction of theology to anthropology; and his acceptance of negative higher criticism of the Bible.” Geisler, Norman L. 1999. Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics, p. 689. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Book House.

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