Friday, 30 September 2016

Jesus quotes from Talmud and alters the Torah!

Jesus quotes from Talmud and alters the Torah!



You know the commandments: 'You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'" (Mark 10:19)

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Seems like jesus quoted the commandments from the Torah? With the exception of ONE!!! "you shall not defraud" that's not found in the law of commandments, So where did jesus get such a commandment and add it to the supposed divine law?? Where else the Talmud.. 

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Resh Lakish said: Meshikah is explicitly provided for by Biblical law. What is Resh Lakish's reason? — Scripture saith, And if thou sell aught unto thy neighbour, or acquire aught of thy neighbour's hand — i.e., a thing 'acquired' [by passing it] from hand to hand. But R. Johanan maintains, 'of [thy neighbour's] hand' is to exclude real estate from the law of fraud.  And Resh Lakish?  — If so,  Scripture should have written, 'And if thou sell aught unto thy neighbour's hand, ye shall not defraud:' why state, 'or acquire aught'? This proves that its purpose is to teach the need of meshikah. And R. Johanan: how does he utilise 'or buy'? — He employs it. even as was taught: 'And if thou sell aught … ye shall not defraud:' from this I know the law  only if the purchaser was defrauded. Whence do I know it if the vendor was cheated? From the phrase. 'or acquire aught…ye shall not defraud.' And Resh Lakish?  — He learns both therefrom.   (Talmud 

Baba Mezi'a 47b)

SACRED OBJECTS-Scripture saith, One man shall not defraud his brother:  his brother, but not hekdesh(Talmud Baba Mezi'a 56b)

SHAME !!!!!

Problems with the Lord's Prayer found in Matthew and Luke.

Problems with the Lord's Prayer found in Matthew and Luke.
(This ones gonna hurt)
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For centuries now Our Christians friends have been relying upon the bible for guidance and salvation, this includes the teachings of Jesus and how he taught his followers (disciples) how to pray ? This doesn't come with no surprise, as the bible is an encyclopaedia of discrepancies with also find serious problems with the Lord's Prayer... Which wasn't spared from such problem... Let's examine the Lord's Prayer found in Matthew and Luke and see how words got crept in...

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Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. (Matthew 6:9-13)


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Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.
Give us day by day our daily bread.
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but  (Luke 11:2-4)

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From the above two Lord's Prayer which were said to be from the extact incident not two different times, seems to tell us two different variance ? There seems to be a Transmission problem! Can you imagine if two different writers couldn't not agree upon a 4 line prayer how can you believe the rest of the sayings of Jesus ? This is was a scholar had to say

Comments by Eduard Schweizer regarding the differences between Matthew's and Luke's "Lord's Prayer":

  • The Lord's Prayer ([Matthew] 6:7-13)... The Lord's Prayer is found in a rather different form in Luke 11:2-4. It is astounding how little legalism the early Christians showed in transmitting the words of Jesus. 

It doesn't end there this problem only started its get even worse, in the transmission of Matthew we have an additional bit added to the Lord's Prayer which isn't found in the earliest Manuscripts! For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. Which is found in Matthews version is a later addition..

Hans Dieter Betz (The Sermon on the Mount: Hermeneia Series, Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1995, pages 414-415) commented:
Christian liturgical usage knows a doxology following SM/Matt 6:13: "For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory into the ages. Amen"... This doxology, however, was not part of the "original" Lord's Prayer; it was not part of the Matthean SM [Sermon on the Mount] either. The reasons for excluding it are text-critical: the best and oldest manuscripts do not have it, and the earliest commentaries on the Lord's Prayer do not know of it.580 Also, the parallel in Luke 11:4 does not have it.581 In addition, those manuscripts that do contain a doxology have it in a variety of forms.

580 Tertullian [160-225 A.D.], Origen [185-254 A.D.], and Cyprian [martyred 258 A.D.] do not know of it.
581 Interestingly, variant readings do not exist that would insert it into Luke 11:4.
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Mary Baker Eddy, in Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures (Boston: The Writings of Mary Baker Eddy, 1910, page 16), says, 
There is indeed some doubt among Bible scholars, whether the last line is not an addition to the prayer by a later copyist; but this does not affect the meaning of the prayer itself. 
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Bruce Metzger, in his definitive Textual Commentary of the Greek New Testament, Second Edition (New York: United Bible Societies, 1994), comments regarding verse 13:
The ascription at the close of the Lord's Prayer occurs in several forms... Some Greek manuscripts expand "for ever" into "for ever and ever," and most of them add "amen." Several late manuscripts ... append a trinitarian ascription, "for thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit for ever. Amen." The same expansion occurs also at the close of the Lord's Prayer in the liturgy that is traditionally ascribed to St. John Chrysostom.
The absence of any ascription in early and important representatives of the [most reliable manuscripts], as well as early patristic commentaries on the Lord's Prayer..., suggests that an ascription, usually in a threefold form, was composed (perhaps on the basis of 1 Chr 29, 11-13) in order to adapt the Prayer for liturgical use in the early church. Still later scribes added "of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

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There you have it, a complete mess! If the authors can't agree with the Lord's Prayer a simple 4 line statement how trust worthy is the NT? Later prayers added just for convenience could you even consider this as the word of God Or words of men's ? WHAT A SHAME!!!!!

Am I Cherry picking ??


Am I Cherry picking ??



"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. (Matthew 10:34)

Cross reference with the text below ..

Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me. (John 12:26)

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It seems clear in order to follow Jesus you have to be like him have no peace and use the sword...  Now i know Christians are going to say that's not a literal statement it's metaphorical, blah blah blah... Do you see how they do the same for our scriptures? Cherry pick and make it sound like it says what it reads. Also how do we know the first verse is metaphorical not literal?? 

Question posed by christians only backfires on them!!!

Question posed by christians only backfires on them!!!

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Christians apologists often bring up the Surah 9:30 from the Quran, where Allah Swt informs us how the Jews called Ezra the son of God and how Christians call Jesus the son of God... They specifically focus on Ezra saying nowhere do we find in the bible that Jews called Ezra the son of God?????


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Firstly correction the Quran is referring to a specific group of Jews they were the Jews from Yamen who claimed that Ezra was the son of God, so it wasn't all the Jews only specifc..


There is historical evidence that Jews did refer to Ezra as the son of Allah: the Encyclopaedia Judaica states, "H. Z. Hirschberg proposed another assumption, based on the words of Ibn Hazm, namely, that the 'righteous who live in Yemen believed that 'Uzayr was indeed the son of Allah.' According to other Muslim sources, there were some Yemenite Jews who had converted to Islam who believed that Ezra was the messiah. For Muhammad, Ezra, the apostle of messiah, can be seen in the same light as the Christian saw Jesus, the messiah, the son of Allah." Encyclopaedia Judaica, Ibid., p. 1108."


Secondly To make matters worse we read in Ezra and Nehemiah According to the Hebrew Bible he returned from the Babylonian exile and reintroduced the Torah in Jerusalem....  Your very bible the NT says in Romans 8:14 anyone led by the spirit of God is a son of god? And since Ezra was one of the reason the Torah was revived surely he should be classed as a son of God right?


Talmud tells us It has been taught: R. Jose said: Had Moses not preceded him, Ezra would have been worthy of receiving the Torah for Israel. Of Moses it is written, And Moses went up unto God(Sanhedrin 21b)


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Now let's use the same method Christians use and twist it back on them :





So the Pharisees said to one another, "See, this is getting us nowhere. Look how the WHOLE WORLD has gone after him! (John 12:19)



seriously the WHOLE WORLD went after Jesus ? Do you see how Christians fall into a dilemma if we was going to switch it back on them!  Now if we ask did the Whole World really go after him, naturally the answer they will give it NO it was a small group or people from the region a local area not the entire world... Why should we accept your explanation whilst you don't accept ours?


Second Dilemma



Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." (John 4:20)


The above is a dialoug between jesus and the Sammaritan lady notice how shes saying YOU JEWS claim that the place of worship is in jerusalem.. Which jews said place of worship is in Jerusalem Exclusively?


Third Dillemma



And Mordecai wrote these things, and sent letters unto all the Jews that were in all the provinces of the king Ahasuerus, both nigh and far, (Esther 9:20)

Seriously Mordecai wrote letters to ALL THE JEWS?????????


Forth Dilemma 


For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea. For you suffered the same things from your own countrymen as they did from the Jews,f 15who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out, and displease God and oppose all mankind (1 thessalonians 2:14-15)

Perhaps the most interesting passage to backfire on them... According to Paul the Jews Killed Jesus?? Seriously the Jews did??? We shall leave that with you to Deal with.

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When Christians say no jews took Ezra as the Son of God ask them the above questions!

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