Sunday 25 December 2016

(Biblical Circumcision dilemma)





In the Torah, God commands Abraham to undergo circumcision at age 99, as part of a covenant between Him and generations of Jews to come. "This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and thy descendants after thee, every male among you shall be circumcised. And ye shall be circumcised on the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every male throughout your generations" (Genesis 17:10-12).

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The first person commanded to circumcise himself was Abraham, at the age of ninety-nine. G‑d told him (Genesis 17:7), “And I will establish a My covenant between Me and between you and between your seed after you throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant, to be to you for a G‑d and to your seed after you.” Demonstrating his submission to G‑d by marking the physical body with the sign of the covenant, Abraham revealed the intrinsic bond every Jew has with God.  (Reference : Chabad.org


And I will establish My covenant between Me and between you and between your seed after you throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant, to be to you for a God and to your seed after you.
And I will establish My covenant: And what is that covenant? To be to you for a God.
(Genesis 17:7 Rashis commentary)

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Verse 7. - And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, - literally, for a covenant of eternity (videGenesis 9:16) - to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Literally, to be for Elohim; a formula comprehending all saving benefits; a clear indication of the spiritual character of the Abrahamic covenant (cf. Genesis 26:24Genesis 28:13Hebrews 11:16).

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And I will establish my covenant between me and thee,.... Not only renew it, but confirm it by the following token of circumcision:

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And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant


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So from the above commentaries from Jews and Christians we've established that circumcision is a covenant made to God. According to Genesis, God told Abraham to circumcise himself, his household and his slaves as an everlasting covenant in their flesh. Those who were not circumcised were to be 'cut off' from their people (Genesis 17:10-14).


Now according to New Testament Jesus was circumcised. Christians also claim Jesus is God, yet the author tells us this so called god was circumcised, how absurd.

And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. (Luke 2:21)


HERE'S THE DILEMMA:


Jesus who according to Christians is God was CIRCUMCISED. And if we take what the original reason for CIRCUMCISION is, that is making a COVENANT BETWEEN GOD. How then does God get circumcised and make a covenant with himself?



DOES GOD MAKE A COVENANT WITH HIMSELF BY GETTING CIRCUMCISED? DOES THAT EVEN MAKE SENSE? 


Christians may defend this by saying Jesus is not God rather he is the son of God. Again, this wouldn't make any sense that the Son who is supposed to always have been with his father has to circumcise himself and MAKE A COVENANT WITH HIS FATHER? It just gets worse each time Christians try to make Jesus God or the son of God. 

It makes more sense that Jesus was a man who underwent all physical changes just like any human would.

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Ade Sulaiman, If circumcision is such importance to Christians maybe they can show us where Jesus made mention of it’s importance?
Show us where Jesus spoke of circumcision when preaching the “Gospel”. Now let’s get this clear, the Gospel (Good News) is the word of God revealed to Jesus which he preached to the people. The Gospel is not the autobiography of Jesus, what Mark, Matthew, Luke and John wrote are the biography of Jesus.
If your evidence is based on what Luke said regarding Jesus’s circumcision and not what Jesus spoke whilst preaching the Gospel, then why can’t we also use evidence provided by Traditions, historians authors with isnad (chain of narration) which is far better then any documented biography of any human.
The Gospel is not a autobiography of Jesus. Mark, Matthew, Luke and John wrote the biography of Jesus “excluding” what he preached i.e. the Gospel. Every-time you read Jesus preached the Gospel, the authors fail to tell us what exactly he preached?


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It's just getting worse. The J source of the Torah has a devilish understanding. Yahweh and Moses in Conflict. The Role of Exodus 4:24–26 in the Book of Exodus [John T. Willis] pp.97









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